{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0043","work":"zhuangzi","chapter":"zhuangzi-026","chapterTitle":"外物第二十六","chapterNumber":26,"ordinal":43,"text":"荃者所以在魚，得魚而忘荃；蹄者所以在兔，得兔而忘蹄；言者所以在意，得意而忘言。吾安得夫忘言之人而與之言哉！」","source":{"repository":"https://github.com/kanripo/KR5c0126","commit":"abb9cd323dfd9520894b56b3b8ba2ec0ea50554f","file":"KR5c0126_026.txt","lineStart":434,"lineEnd":441,"fileSha256":"6a6a9040782ddc11cb002fcb93ce150ed21da7eecb885c985c9d740f22cdb2da","edition":"CHANT","sourceLabels":["ZHUANG 26.13.1 Guo Qingfan 944; Wang Shumin 10i2; Fang Yong 750; Chen Guying 725"],"sourceUrl":"https://github.com/kanripo/KR5c0126/blob/abb9cd323dfd9520894b56b3b8ba2ec0ea50554f/KR5c0126_026.txt#L434-L441","rawUrl":"/data/classical-0.12.0/sources/KR5c0126/KR5c0126_026.txt","author":"Traditionally associated with Zhuang Zhou; the received collection includes multiple voices and layers.","contributor":"Kanseki Repository (Kanripo) contributors; upstream base-edition labels retained in each original file.","license":"CC BY-SA 4.0","licenseUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"},"route":"/classical/passage/zhuangzi-026-0043/","notes":[{"id":"r171","passage":"zhuangzi-026-0043","quote":"言者所以在意，得意而忘言","focus":"所以","start":26,"end":38,"focusStart":28,"topics":["suo","yi","er"],"translation":"Words are a means for reaching meaning; once meaning is grasped, the words are forgotten.","note":"所以 describes a means, not modern therefore. 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The final question about speaking with someone who has forgotten words complicates any slogan that language is simply worthless.","question":"What does the fish-trap comparison help identify?","answer":"Words as an instrument related to an aim, rather than as the aim itself.","attribution":{"author":"zimai · AI-assisted editorial notes","status":"Editorial pilot · not independently reviewed","license":"CC BY-SA 4.0","licenseUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/","revision":"0.12.0"}}],"previous":"zhuangzi-026-0042","next":"zhuangzi-027-0001","nearby":[{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0035","ordinal":35,"text":"夫尊古而卑今，學者之流也。且以狶韋氏之流觀今之世，夫孰能不波！唯至人乃能遊於世而不僻，順人而不失己。彼教不學，承意不彼。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0036","ordinal":36,"text":"目徹為明，耳徹為聰，鼻徹為顫，口徹為甘，心徹為知，知徹為德。凡道不欲壅，壅則哽，哽而不止則跈，跈則眾害生。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0037","ordinal":37,"text":"物之有知者恃息，其不殷，非天之罪。天之穿之，日夜无降，人則顧塞其竇。胞有重閬，心有天遊。室无空虛，則婦姑勃谿；心无天遊，則六鑿相攘。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0038","ordinal":38,"text":"大林丘山之善於人也，亦神者不勝。德溢乎名，名溢乎暴，謀稽乎誸，知出乎爭，柴生乎守，官事果乎眾宜。春雨日時，草木怒生，銚鎒於是乎始脩，草木之到植者過半而不知其然。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0039","ordinal":39,"text":"「靜然可以補病，眥搣可以休老，寧可以止遽。雖然，若是，勞者之務也，非佚者之所未嘗過而問焉。聖人之所以駴天下，神人未嘗過而問焉；","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0040","ordinal":40,"text":"賢人所以駴世，聖人未嘗過而問焉；君子所以駴國，賢人未嘗過而問焉；小人所以合時，君子未嘗過而問焉。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0041","ordinal":41,"text":"演門有親死者，以善毀爵為官師，其黨人毀而死者半。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0042","ordinal":42,"text":"堯與許由天下，許由逃之；湯與務光，務光怒之，紀他聞之，帥弟子而踆於窾水，諸侯弔之，三年，申徒狄因以踣河。","annotated":false},{"id":"zhuangzi-026-0043","ordinal":43,"text":"荃者所以在魚，得魚而忘荃；蹄者所以在兔，得兔而忘蹄；言者所以在意，得意而忘言。吾安得夫忘言之人而與之言哉！」","annotated":true}],"related":[{"id":"lunyu-001-0001","workTitle":"論語","text":"學而時習之","reason":"Read the relationship between clauses"},{"id":"lunyu-001-0003","workTitle":"論語","text":"本立而道生","reason":"Read the relationship between clauses"},{"id":"lunyu-001-0006","workTitle":"論語","text":"使民以時","reason":"Identify means, basis, and purpose"},{"id":"lunyu-002-0001","workTitle":"論語","text":"為政以德","reason":"Identify means, basis, and purpose"}],"knowledge":[{"id":"zhe-and-suo","title":"Turn actions into things to discuss"},{"id":"names-and-claims","title":"Names, reputations, and what words accomplish"},{"id":"analogy-and-limits","title":"What an analogy proves—and what it leaves open"}],"connections":[{"id":"zhe-topic","title":"A performer and a topic of explanation","label":"Grammar contrast","reason":"善行者 and 荃者 show why 者 must be read with the full construction rather than always as a person."},{"id":"language-limits","title":"Using words to investigate words","label":"Question in common","reason":"Compare the formula about naming with the trap analogy and its final wish for conversation. 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