{"id":"lunyu-001-0017","work":"lunyu","chapter":"lunyu-001","chapterTitle":"學而篇第一","chapterNumber":1,"ordinal":17,"text":"子貢曰：「《詩》云：『如切如磋，如琢如磨。』其斯之謂與？」子曰：「賜也，始可與言《詩》已矣，告諸往而知來者。」","source":{"repository":"https://github.com/kanripo/KR1h0004","commit":"89b65734d4386e2478179c77741a968bfc627abb","file":"KR1h0004_001.txt","lineStart":150,"lineEnd":158,"fileSha256":"e5fb5c36103322d7896badb041e42feaa4319d9fa21017fba15c97846041e1dc","edition":"CHANT","sourceLabels":["LY 01.15:02; tr. 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The phrase asks whether the quoted imagery applies to the lesson just discussed.","question":"Is this the same environment as 未之有?","answer":"No. It is an emphatic object construction, not a negative clause.","attribution":{"author":"zimai · AI-assisted editorial notes","status":"Editorial pilot · not independently reviewed","license":"CC BY-SA 4.0","licenseUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/","revision":"0.12.0"}}],"previous":"lunyu-001-0016","next":"lunyu-001-0018","nearby":[{"id":"lunyu-001-0010","ordinal":10,"text":"曾子曰：「慎終追遠，民德歸厚矣。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0011","ordinal":11,"text":"子禽問於子貢曰：「夫子至於是邦也，必聞其政，求之與？抑與之與？」子貢曰：「夫子溫、良、恭、儉、讓以得之。夫子之求之也，其諸異乎人之求之與？」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0012","ordinal":12,"text":"子曰：「父在，觀其志；父沒，觀其行；三年無改於父之道，可謂孝矣。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0013","ordinal":13,"text":"有子曰：「禮之用，和為貴。先王之道，斯為美；小大由之。有所不行，知和而和，不以禮節之，亦不可行也。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0014","ordinal":14,"text":"有子曰：「信近於義，言可復也。恭近於禮，遠恥辱也。因不失其親，亦可宗也。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0015","ordinal":15,"text":"子曰：「君子食無求飽，居無求安，敏於事而慎於言，就有道而正焉，可謂好學也已。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0016","ordinal":16,"text":"子貢曰：「貧而無諂，富而無驕，何如？」子曰：「可也；未若貧而樂道，富而好禮者也。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0017","ordinal":17,"text":"子貢曰：「《詩》云：『如切如磋，如琢如磨。』其斯之謂與？」子曰：「賜也，始可與言《詩》已矣，告諸往而知來者。」","annotated":true},{"id":"lunyu-001-0018","ordinal":18,"text":"子曰：「不患人之不己知，患不知人也。」","annotated":true}],"related":[{"id":"mengzi-001-0001","workTitle":"孟子","text":"何必曰利","reason":"Locate the unknown"},{"id":"mengzi-001-0002","workTitle":"孟子","text":"何以利吾國","reason":"Notice an object before its verb"},{"id":"mengzi-001-0010","workTitle":"孟子","text":"雖有臺池鳥獸，豈能獨樂哉","reason":"Locate the unknown"},{"id":"mengzi-001-0020","workTitle":"孟子","text":"然而不王者，未之有也","reason":"Notice an object before its verb"}],"knowledge":[],"connections":[{"id":"craft-verse-becomes-a-reading-lesson","title":"The Analects quotes the craft simile","label":"Explicit textual citation","reason":"The Analects explicitly introduces the cutting-and-polishing lines as words from the Poems. In the dialogue the quotation becomes evidence of the learner’s ability to extend a prompt. 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